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		<title>By: Mpartrid</title>
		<link>http://matadornetwork.com/abroad/tourists-expats-and-that-fragile-sense-of-belonging/#comment-98213</link>
		<dc:creator>Mpartrid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2011 13:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is the difference between immigrant and expat?  I have lived in the US for 30 years and never considered myself an expat.  I identify myself as an immigrant.  These days the fact that I was not born into this culture rarely come into my mind.  Maybe not as bad as some homogeneous societies like most in Asia, racisim is still alive and well here.  I am aware that I look different but have not felt like an outsider for many years now.  Is it the mind set of an immigrant that makes a difference or the US society is more welcoming?  I see that being an immigrant verse an expat means I have no intention of leaving.  When leaving is not an option on the table any more, your perspective changes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is the difference between immigrant and expat?  I have lived in the US for 30 years and never considered myself an expat.  I identify myself as an immigrant.  These days the fact that I was not born into this culture rarely come into my mind.  Maybe not as bad as some homogeneous societies like most in Asia, racisim is still alive and well here.  I am aware that I look different but have not felt like an outsider for many years now.  Is it the mind set of an immigrant that makes a difference or the US society is more welcoming?  I see that being an immigrant verse an expat means I have no intention of leaving.  When leaving is not an option on the table any more, your perspective changes.</p>
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		<title>By: Mpartrid</title>
		<link>http://matadornetwork.com/abroad/tourists-expats-and-that-fragile-sense-of-belonging/#comment-98214</link>
		<dc:creator>Mpartrid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2011 13:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is the difference between immigrant and expat?  I have lived in the US for 30 years and never considered myself an expat.  I identify myself as an immigrant.  These days the fact that I was not born into this culture rarely come into my mind.  Maybe not as bad as some homogeneous societies like most in Asia, racisim is still alive and well here.  I am aware that I look different but have not felt like an outsider for many years now.  Is it the mind set of an immigrant that makes a difference or the US society is more welcoming?  I see that being an immigrant verse an expat means I have no intention of leaving.  When leaving is not an option on the table any more, your perspective changes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is the difference between immigrant and expat?  I have lived in the US for 30 years and never considered myself an expat.  I identify myself as an immigrant.  These days the fact that I was not born into this culture rarely come into my mind.  Maybe not as bad as some homogeneous societies like most in Asia, racisim is still alive and well here.  I am aware that I look different but have not felt like an outsider for many years now.  Is it the mind set of an immigrant that makes a difference or the US society is more welcoming?  I see that being an immigrant verse an expat means I have no intention of leaving.  When leaving is not an option on the table any more, your perspective changes.</p>
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		<title>By: Mpartrid</title>
		<link>http://matadornetwork.com/abroad/tourists-expats-and-that-fragile-sense-of-belonging/#comment-98215</link>
		<dc:creator>Mpartrid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2011 13:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is the difference between immigrant and expat?  I have lived in the US for 30 years and never considered myself an expat.  I identify myself as an immigrant.  These days the fact that I was not born into this culture rarely come into my mind.  Maybe not as bad as some homogeneous societies like most in Asia, racisim is still alive and well here.  I am aware that I look different but have not felt like an outsider for many years now.  Is it the mind set of an immigrant that makes a difference or the US society is more welcoming?  I see that being an immigrant verse an expat means I have no intention of leaving.  When leaving is not an option on the table any more, your perspective changes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is the difference between immigrant and expat?  I have lived in the US for 30 years and never considered myself an expat.  I identify myself as an immigrant.  These days the fact that I was not born into this culture rarely come into my mind.  Maybe not as bad as some homogeneous societies like most in Asia, racisim is still alive and well here.  I am aware that I look different but have not felt like an outsider for many years now.  Is it the mind set of an immigrant that makes a difference or the US society is more welcoming?  I see that being an immigrant verse an expat means I have no intention of leaving.  When leaving is not an option on the table any more, your perspective changes.</p>
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		<title>By: The Turkish Life</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Turkish Life</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Sep 2010 10:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can definitely identify with this -- although here in Istanbul we have a much wider range of expats than just students, teachers, artists and retirees -- and agree that tourists do &quot;threaten&quot; expats&#039; hard-won sense of (sort of) fitting in, or at least not having people stare at you all the time.

But I think there are also some practical reasons to feel annoyed at tourists (or travelers, whatever) from time to time -- people visiting a country aren&#039;t as likely to notice when a cab driver is taking the long route to run the meter up or when a restaurant has snuck a few unordered extras onto the bill. They&#039;re generally willing to pay higher than normal prices since it still seems cheap when converted to their currency and may not know what kinds of behavior is culturally uncool or give Westerners a bad reputation. I feel OK saying this because I know I can be the same way when I&#039;m traveling. But when you live somewhere day in and day out, earning local wages and trying to make a life, it can grate when you feel like you can&#039;t avoid some negative treatment because of the way foreigners before you have acted in the country.

It&#039;s a minority of bad travelers and people who take advantage of them, of course, and this certainly doesn&#039;t shape the bulk of my experience in Turkey, which I love. Just thought I&#039;d throw it out there to add to the interesting discussion you&#039;ve sparked with your well-written and thought-provoking essay.

Funny enough, spicy food, dark beer, and new places to run are three of the things I&#039;m always looking for too -- unfortunately all in pretty short supply here in Istanbul!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can definitely identify with this &#8212; although here in Istanbul we have a much wider range of expats than just students, teachers, artists and retirees &#8212; and agree that tourists do &#8220;threaten&#8221; expats&#8217; hard-won sense of (sort of) fitting in, or at least not having people stare at you all the time.</p>
<p>But I think there are also some practical reasons to feel annoyed at tourists (or travelers, whatever) from time to time &#8212; people visiting a country aren&#8217;t as likely to notice when a cab driver is taking the long route to run the meter up or when a restaurant has snuck a few unordered extras onto the bill. They&#8217;re generally willing to pay higher than normal prices since it still seems cheap when converted to their currency and may not know what kinds of behavior is culturally uncool or give Westerners a bad reputation. I feel OK saying this because I know I can be the same way when I&#8217;m traveling. But when you live somewhere day in and day out, earning local wages and trying to make a life, it can grate when you feel like you can&#8217;t avoid some negative treatment because of the way foreigners before you have acted in the country.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a minority of bad travelers and people who take advantage of them, of course, and this certainly doesn&#8217;t shape the bulk of my experience in Turkey, which I love. Just thought I&#8217;d throw it out there to add to the interesting discussion you&#8217;ve sparked with your well-written and thought-provoking essay.</p>
<p>Funny enough, spicy food, dark beer, and new places to run are three of the things I&#8217;m always looking for too &#8212; unfortunately all in pretty short supply here in Istanbul!</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 17:07:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know that I&#039;ve ever read an article where I&#039;ve agreed so strongly, both with what was written in the post, and with the comments afterwards!

I have nothing to add, other than to agree with Eva that this line made me laugh out loud: &quot;You can jump a few rungs in the hierarchy by virtue of participation in revolutionary politics or marriage to a local.&quot; Also agree about the importance of the &#039;cathedral moment&#039; - and that it&#039;s often through watching the &#039;tourists&#039; that we are reminded of where we actually are.

Great stuff, thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know that I&#8217;ve ever read an article where I&#8217;ve agreed so strongly, both with what was written in the post, and with the comments afterwards!</p>
<p>I have nothing to add, other than to agree with Eva that this line made me laugh out loud: &#8220;You can jump a few rungs in the hierarchy by virtue of participation in revolutionary politics or marriage to a local.&#8221; Also agree about the importance of the &#8216;cathedral moment&#8217; &#8211; and that it&#8217;s often through watching the &#8216;tourists&#8217; that we are reminded of where we actually are.</p>
<p>Great stuff, thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: kimayou Meigui</title>
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		<dc:creator>kimayou Meigui</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 03:14:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article!  
Perhaps no matter how many years you live in a foreign country, there will always be that day where those walls shoot up and you find yourself in a quiet library viewed as the tourist and outsider.  Maybe there&#039;s a way that can be used to the advantage.  It could definitely remind us to take that step back and remember the beautiful cathedral or shrine passed every day on the way to work is something to look at and appreciate with new eyes.  That&#039;s one reason why I&#039;ve always loved introducing the island I love so much to new visitors.  I can experience the excitement through their eyes and look on the things I see every day in passing in a new light.

Thanks for writing words I&#039;m sure so many people, myself included, have had difficulty conveying in the past.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article!<br />
Perhaps no matter how many years you live in a foreign country, there will always be that day where those walls shoot up and you find yourself in a quiet library viewed as the tourist and outsider.  Maybe there&#8217;s a way that can be used to the advantage.  It could definitely remind us to take that step back and remember the beautiful cathedral or shrine passed every day on the way to work is something to look at and appreciate with new eyes.  That&#8217;s one reason why I&#8217;ve always loved introducing the island I love so much to new visitors.  I can experience the excitement through their eyes and look on the things I see every day in passing in a new light.</p>
<p>Thanks for writing words I&#8217;m sure so many people, myself included, have had difficulty conveying in the past.</p>
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		<title>By: Abacaxi - The Search</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abacaxi - The Search</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 16:31:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the real work and most rewarding and I believe is the reason most travel. After reading about the fragile sense of belonging and being entertained by the hierarchies and perceptions in travel and the contempt we travelers [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the real work and most rewarding and I believe is the reason most travel. After reading about the fragile sense of belonging and being entertained by the hierarchies and perceptions in travel and the contempt we travelers [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:18:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You hit the nail on the head in this article. I have felt all the same things you describe. I have lived in Mexico for six years, Belize for two and now living in Guatemala. The scene you described in the library goes through every expat&#039;s head at least once a day. Great writing!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You hit the nail on the head in this article. I have felt all the same things you describe. I have lived in Mexico for six years, Belize for two and now living in Guatemala. The scene you described in the library goes through every expat&#8217;s head at least once a day. Great writing!</p>
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		<title>By: Brooke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brooke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 18:18:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Such an interesting topic that applies to so many around the world, thanks for putting my exact thoughts out there!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Such an interesting topic that applies to so many around the world, thanks for putting my exact thoughts out there!</p>
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		<title>By: Nina Grand</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nina Grand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 17:48:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whether one lives in a foreign country as an expat (as I have done in Mexico, Japan, Switzerland, Guatemala and India) or merely visits on vacation as a &quot;tourist,&quot; it is important to remember that we are all guests.

A number of years back in Mexico, where I still spend a few months every winter, one of the expats there was growing marijuana in his yard. The locals are very tolerant of us and really didn&#039;t care about this. One day, however, his neighbor&#039;s pigs wandered into his garden and destroyed his crop. He became indignant and made all kind of threats, revealing a very ugly side to his neighbors who happen to be his landlord. A few days later the federales showed up and carted him off to prison where he languised for years. No amount of &quot;mordidas&quot; would get him out.

As a lifestyle traveler,  I always see myself as a guest, no matter which country I am living in. This has served me very well, indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whether one lives in a foreign country as an expat (as I have done in Mexico, Japan, Switzerland, Guatemala and India) or merely visits on vacation as a &#8220;tourist,&#8221; it is important to remember that we are all guests.</p>
<p>A number of years back in Mexico, where I still spend a few months every winter, one of the expats there was growing marijuana in his yard. The locals are very tolerant of us and really didn&#8217;t care about this. One day, however, his neighbor&#8217;s pigs wandered into his garden and destroyed his crop. He became indignant and made all kind of threats, revealing a very ugly side to his neighbors who happen to be his landlord. A few days later the federales showed up and carted him off to prison where he languised for years. No amount of &#8220;mordidas&#8221; would get him out.</p>
<p>As a lifestyle traveler,  I always see myself as a guest, no matter which country I am living in. This has served me very well, indeed.</p>
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