Comments on: The most obscene debate on the Internet http://matadornetwork.com/life/the-most-obscene-debate-on-the-internet/ travel culture worldwide Wed, 08 Feb 2012 10:46:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Nancy http://matadornetwork.com/life/the-most-obscene-debate-on-the-internet/#comment-98416 Nancy Fri, 09 Dec 2011 15:04:00 +0000 http://matadorlife.com/?p=4808#comment-98416 'Facebook' isn't synonymous with 'your society.'  It's an actual company just trying to do the best it can at covering it's ass legally.  It has shareholders, business interests, international laws, and I don't know how many other stakeholders to think about.  It bases it's removal of photos on what users report and legal policy regarding nudity online.  It's not trying to reinvent the meaning of pornographic. I agree that it's totally messed up that people are offended by breasts when breastfeeding if they aren't offended by breasts presented in a sexual way, but Facebook is what it is: it is a business. Not some organization with a mission to alter deeply rooted societal (of YOUR society, remember Facebook is available in many more societies than yours) prejudices/beliefs/values. ‘Facebook’ isn’t synonymous with ‘your society.’  It’s an actual company just trying to do the best it can at covering it’s ass legally.  It has shareholders, business interests, international laws, and I don’t know how many other stakeholders to think about.  It bases it’s removal of photos on what users report and legal policy regarding nudity online.  It’s not trying to reinvent the meaning of pornographic. I agree that it’s totally messed up that people are offended by breasts when breastfeeding if they aren’t offended by breasts presented in a sexual way, but Facebook is what it is: it is a business. Not some organization with a mission to alter deeply rooted societal (of YOUR society, remember Facebook is available in many more societies than yours) prejudices/beliefs/values.

]]> By: Nancy http://matadornetwork.com/life/the-most-obscene-debate-on-the-internet/#comment-98417 Nancy Fri, 09 Dec 2011 15:04:00 +0000 http://matadorlife.com/?p=4808#comment-98417 'Facebook' isn't synonymous with 'your society.'  It's an actual company just trying to do the best it can at covering it's ass legally.  It has shareholders, business interests, international laws, and I don't know how many other stakeholders to think about.  It bases it's removal of photos on what users report and legal policy regarding nudity online.  It's not trying to reinvent the meaning of pornographic. I agree that it's totally messed up that people are offended by breasts when breastfeeding if they aren't offended by breasts presented in a sexual way, but Facebook is what it is: it is a business. Not some organization with a mission to alter deeply rooted societal (of YOUR society, remember Facebook is available in many more societies than yours) prejudices/beliefs/values. ‘Facebook’ isn’t synonymous with ‘your society.’  It’s an actual company just trying to do the best it can at covering it’s ass legally.  It has shareholders, business interests, international laws, and I don’t know how many other stakeholders to think about.  It bases it’s removal of photos on what users report and legal policy regarding nudity online.  It’s not trying to reinvent the meaning of pornographic. I agree that it’s totally messed up that people are offended by breasts when breastfeeding if they aren’t offended by breasts presented in a sexual way, but Facebook is what it is: it is a business. Not some organization with a mission to alter deeply rooted societal (of YOUR society, remember Facebook is available in many more societies than yours) prejudices/beliefs/values.

]]> By: Steph http://matadornetwork.com/life/the-most-obscene-debate-on-the-internet/#comment-80298 Steph Fri, 13 May 2011 16:57:04 +0000 http://matadorlife.com/?p=4808#comment-80298 It's funny to read this because it's something I've encountered recently. Growing up in America, I remember my aunt coming to visit one Christmas when she just had a newborn son. For her, breastfeeding was a very private affair. She would close herself in the bedroom to feed her baby alone. Fast-forward to two months ago when I came to Colombia. One of the sisters from the family I'm staying with has a 6-month old baby. When she was here to visit at Easter, she would take out her breast for the baby in front of everyone and the extended family would all watch with smiles, talking to the baby in baby-speak. For them, it was the most normal thing in the world. And it is, really. I was a bit shocked the first time I saw it and looked away because I wasn't sure where to put my eyes, but now I've seen it so many time, I realize it really is a beautiful, natural thing. It’s funny to read this because it’s something I’ve encountered recently. Growing up in America, I remember my aunt coming to visit one Christmas when she just had a newborn son. For her, breastfeeding was a very private affair. She would close herself in the bedroom to feed her baby alone. Fast-forward to two months ago when I came to Colombia. One of the sisters from the family I’m staying with has a 6-month old baby. When she was here to visit at Easter, she would take out her breast for the baby in front of everyone and the extended family would all watch with smiles, talking to the baby in baby-speak. For them, it was the most normal thing in the world. And it is, really. I was a bit shocked the first time I saw it and looked away because I wasn’t sure where to put my eyes, but now I’ve seen it so many time, I realize it really is a beautiful, natural thing.

]]> By: albert sneij http://matadornetwork.com/life/the-most-obscene-debate-on-the-internet/#comment-76380 albert sneij Mon, 02 May 2011 13:21:17 +0000 http://matadorlife.com/?p=4808#comment-76380 breast feeding was so revered in ancient Egypt , that the Mother Goddess was depicted with the baby suckling on her breast. That was carved in STONE. and if any one objected to that , he had to carve his objection ,in stone as well. but ,I can not find any objections that were carved in stone. May be some people sent emails to object, but those emails were lost in the Ionosphere, for ever. O I forgot the new medical scientific discovery, "scientists discovered that plastic bottles are best for the baby, ie healthiest, and breast milk may carry germssss and should be banned by order of the UNhealth dept. breast feeding was so revered in ancient Egypt , that the Mother Goddess was depicted with the baby suckling on her breast. That was carved in STONE. and if any one objected to that , he had to carve his objection ,in stone as well. but ,I can not find any objections that were carved in stone. May be some people sent emails to object, but those emails were lost in the Ionosphere, for ever. O I forgot the new medical scientific discovery, “scientists discovered that plastic bottles are best for the baby, ie healthiest, and breast milk may carry germssss and should be banned by order of the UNhealth dept.

]]> By: Pamela http://matadornetwork.com/life/the-most-obscene-debate-on-the-internet/#comment-76387 Pamela Sun, 01 May 2011 17:02:30 +0000 http://matadorlife.com/?p=4808#comment-76387 As a mother who breast fed all three of her boys, I agree it is important. But I also never breast fed my children in front of anyone but my husband, much less post them on the internet. It was a precious private moment that was between me and my baby as well as my husband. You can breast feed without exposing your body to the world. Not every moment has to be shared. As a mother who breast fed all three of her boys, I agree it is important. But I also never breast fed my children in front of anyone but my husband, much less post them on the internet. It was a precious private moment that was between me and my baby as well as my husband. You can breast feed without exposing your body to the world. Not every moment has to be shared.

]]> By: albert sneij http://matadornetwork.com/life/the-most-obscene-debate-on-the-internet/#comment-57148 albert sneij Mon, 18 Apr 2011 14:35:18 +0000 http://matadorlife.com/?p=4808#comment-57148 if FB banned breast feeding pictures because it has nudity or porn, then to hell with FB. as simple as that. you should not feel guilty or feel the need to kiss ass with FB policy. The horizon is wide open to other media outlet; and who is the loser ?? it is FB. Even with nudity, there is nothing wrong with that. All primitive Africa and primitive America were nude. Nudity is wrong only with immoral people who reflect their own guilt on the subject, and believe that their own immorality and abuse to others is compensated by prohibiting nudity if FB banned breast feeding pictures because it has nudity or porn, then to hell with FB. as simple as that. you should not feel guilty or feel the need to kiss ass with FB policy. The horizon is wide open to other media outlet; and who is the loser ?? it is FB.
Even with nudity, there is nothing wrong with that. All primitive Africa and primitive America were nude. Nudity is wrong only with immoral people who reflect their own guilt on the subject, and believe that their own immorality and abuse to others is compensated by prohibiting nudity

]]> By: Leigh http://matadornetwork.com/life/the-most-obscene-debate-on-the-internet/#comment-57145 Leigh Mon, 18 Apr 2011 12:22:06 +0000 http://matadorlife.com/?p=4808#comment-57145 Again... This is more about FB enforcing its own policy. Not about whether or not the policy is wrong. And sorry, but randomly enforcing a policy so that certain types of photos are allowed while others are not is very much an issue worth addressing. Again… This is more about FB enforcing its own policy. Not about whether or not the policy is wrong.

And sorry, but randomly enforcing a policy so that certain types of photos are allowed while others are not is very much an issue worth addressing.

]]> By: Leigh http://matadornetwork.com/life/the-most-obscene-debate-on-the-internet/#comment-57129 Leigh Mon, 18 Apr 2011 12:14:28 +0000 http://matadorlife.com/?p=4808#comment-57129 Adam, People keep making this argument. And yes, we all have a choice to either be on FB or not. What you and the other people who say this miss is that while FB is perfectly within its rights to make a rule that no breasts be shown on the website, the bottom line is there are plenty of breasts on the website. It's the breastfeeding ones that seem to be singled out for exclusion. And this is not as much a reflection of FB as it is of the users of FB. It sends a clear message that people are perfectly comfortable with looking at breasts as long as they're not feeding a child. FB needs a policy that is more even handed and enforceable. That is the point. Adam,

People keep making this argument. And yes, we all have a choice to either be on FB or not.

What you and the other people who say this miss is that while FB is perfectly within its rights to make a rule that no breasts be shown on the website, the bottom line is there are plenty of breasts on the website. It’s the breastfeeding ones that seem to be singled out for exclusion.

And this is not as much a reflection of FB as it is of the users of FB. It sends a clear message that people are perfectly comfortable with looking at breasts as long as they’re not feeding a child.

FB needs a policy that is more even handed and enforceable. That is the point.

]]> By: Me http://matadornetwork.com/life/the-most-obscene-debate-on-the-internet/#comment-57144 Me Sun, 17 Apr 2011 08:30:06 +0000 http://matadorlife.com/?p=4808#comment-57144 This article is pointless. Facebook is not a public service- they can choose to do whatever they want. If they wanted all the profile pictures to be only people's elbows- those would be the rules you have to follow. I agree that breast-feeding should be allowed in public, but again- Facebook is not public. If you want to show babies sucking your tits, make a Flickr account and move on with your life. This article is pointless. Facebook is not a public service- they can choose to do whatever they want. If they wanted all the profile pictures to be only people’s elbows- those would be the rules you have to follow.

I agree that breast-feeding should be allowed in public, but again- Facebook is not public. If you want to show babies sucking your tits, make a Flickr account and move on with your life.

]]> By: Adam Smith http://matadornetwork.com/life/the-most-obscene-debate-on-the-internet/#comment-54888 Adam Smith Sat, 16 Apr 2011 01:03:27 +0000 http://matadorlife.com/?p=4808#comment-54888 So, scki, a corporation makes a site available for FREE and offers enormous value to millions of people, and your complaint is "typical corporate fascism?" Here is a glass 99% full and you moan about the perceived missing 1%. The problem with you on the left is that you use all the services of corporations and despise them at the same time. You use your iPhones, Facebook accounts, GMail, and Twitter to organize anti-corporate, anti-globalist demonstrations never once seeing the irony that inventive corporations improved your life to the point where you could take these technologies for granted. So, scki, a corporation makes a site available for FREE and offers enormous value to millions of people, and your complaint is “typical corporate fascism?” Here is a glass 99% full and you moan about the perceived missing 1%. The problem with you on the left is that you use all the services of corporations and despise them at the same time. You use your iPhones, Facebook accounts, GMail, and Twitter to organize anti-corporate, anti-globalist demonstrations never once seeing the irony that inventive corporations improved your life to the point where you could take these technologies for granted.

]]>