This episode of the podcast In The Thick has prominent activists and journalists discussing: What does it mean to be a “good” person of color? Are only people of color with select characteristics embraced by national parties and the media? What qualifies and disqualifies a person of color from getting empathy and respect from prominent politicians?

The discussion is led by Maria Hinojosa and features activist Linda Sarsour, and journalists Terrell J. Starr and Julio Ricardo Varela. Listen above.