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The good folks at the MOJO blog have alerted me to a major music controversy in Jamaica.

THE SPIRALING POPULARITY of “daggering” — a “lewd” dance style with accompanying, explicitly-lyric’d dancehall tunes — has led the Jamaican government to take an unprecedented step: an all-out radio and TV ban on songs and videos with blatantly sexual content.

Here’s the background, from MOJO blogger David Katz:

The storm began brewing when a series of “daggering” hits gained widespread airplay… To the uninitiated, “daggering” is a super-lewd “dance” that leaves little to the imagination, in which groin-locked couples enact rapid-speed dry-humping. “Daggering” dancers basically enact simulated sex, since the term is roughly the Caribbean equivalent to “cabin stabbing.”

(Am I the only one who paused at this point to google “cabin stabbing”? And regretted it?)

Grumbles about the craze were already building, and things came to a climax (har har) when the Vybz Kartel and Spice duet, Rampin Shop, hit #1 on the local charts.

Katz again:

Five days later, the Jamaican Broadcasting Commission took the unprecedented step of banning all songs with explicit sexual content from radio and television, as well as songs that glorify gun violence, murder, rape or arson. The ban is absolute, meaning that such songs can no longer be aired as “clean” versions that make use of “bleeping.”

Responses to the ban have been extremely mixed. Some feel the government’s stance is hypocritical: Given that human rights campaigns have fallen on deaf ears for years, why should it take a bit of dry-humping to bring action?

I’m torn on this one.

On the one hand, I’m never a fan of censorship — and this full-on ban seems to be casting a pretty wide net. Who gets to decide what constitutes “explicit sexual content,” after all? If we let them come for our daggering tunes first, will they be after our Marvin Gaye albums next?

But on the other hand, I do worry about the overly sexualized world kids seem to be inhabiting these days. (I bet there are a lot of young’uns that wouldn’t have had to google “cabin stabbing”…) Jamaican reggae singer Horace Andy is quoted in the MOJO blog post: “I don’t think it’s right to play those kind of lyrics on the radio, cause if you beep it out, the kids still know. My daughter is four years old, and she knows every word of ‘Rampin Shop’.”

Check out a few examples and see for yourself.

Here’s Bragga’s “Dagga Dat”:

And Mr. Vegas, “Daggering”:

Call me desensitized, but they don’t seem much more objectionable than your average rap video. (But of course, just because we allow tracks like “Candy Shop” to play in prime time doesn’t mean Jamaica necessarily should, too…)

What do you think of the “daggering” craze? Harmless or sinister?

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Eva Holland

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  • http://thetravelersnotebook.com david miller

    good post. daggering, eh? why does violence / warfare imagery / connotations always have to ‘infiltrate’ good old dancing.

    doesn’t really bother me that people are ‘hyper-freaking’ but the name daggering kind of blows.

    • http://matadorpulse.com teej

      This is what they call it? That has been happening in America for years I guess we didn’t have a name for it. I do agree with someone else who replied the fact that a four year old knows the words to that song is sad and wrong. I am a grown woman who likes sexy music but the lyrics to that song should not be heard by four year olds let alone sing along with them! The parents should be monitering what their children are listening to. I don’t know if bleeping the words of that song would help anyways it is so graphic the good thing though is half the time if I hadn’t been paying attention I didn’t know what they were saying. In America we bleep words but you still get the message that is why I don’t allow my five year old to listen to them. I also think in the same sense that if that is the way Jamaica is heading in the music world that people can just turn it off and censor their children, that is what we do in America.

    • Shelley

      The name is violent. I remember dancing like that in the 1970′s. These were in the gay clubs mind you.

  • danmur

    Did you google the lyrics for “Rampin’ Shop?” Kind of disturbing for a 4 year old to know the lyrics to that.

    On another note, looking at the videos and looking around I didn’t really see anything that really bothered me too much. It’s pretty much stuff I see all the time here. Does that make it right? I’m not here to judge.

    One thing though, if I had a little one at home I surely wouldn’t be letting them listen to these songs on the radio. Like the singer quoted in the article having the 4 year old that knew all the lyrics. I know parents have can’t be around 24/7, but it has all to start with parents being more responsible.

  • danmur

    David: I agree. They really need a better name ‘daggering’ just blows. It makes it sound rough and dangerous. Maybe call it the pup-tent shimmy? Flagpole polka? I don’t know.

  • http://www.matadornetwork.com Eva

    Agreed, guys. The dancing itself doesn’t look much more scandalous than what’s known as “walking up” in Barbados — or, for that matter, from a good old-fashioned grind anywhere. The violent imagery’s a little weird, though.

    • sherion

      eva, in barbados it’s actually ‘wukking up’ and it doesn’t cause death. a young lady actually died doing from that daggering dance. and as mentioned by Xf the vidoes shown here are mild in comparison. if you search youtube for daggering you’ll see what daggering really is. check the dancehall version not the music vids.

  • Benjamin

    This is nothing compared to what kids watch in the states. Have you seen “Tip Drill” by Nelly? The term “daggering” is unnecessary though.

  • http://matadorlife.com Tom Gates

    Dirty Dancing 3: Jamaica Dry Hump. “Nobody puts Damerae in a corner.”

  • http://www.jamaicamyway.com Jamaica My Way

    I’m mixed on it as well. I DEFINITELY agree that kids don’t need to watch this stuff in broad daylight in the streets, at things like Passa Passa, Dutty Fridaze, etc. BUT on the other hand I’ve been to Daggerin dance parties at nights, up in the hills in Ja and its no big thing. Its not an orgy!!

    Dance is a form of expression that I feel pretty strongly about. But I also feel strongly about children being exposed to things before they need to. I have a 17 yr old that I wouldn’t be caught DEAD daggerin in front of…..but that doesn’t mean I wouldn’t take part otherwise, for some fun.

    On the censorship thing…..where do you even start with censorship in Jamaica? Have you ever channel-surfed there? I’d worry MORE about my child stumbling onto the free porn channels there, than a daggerin video!

    AND one last rant…..I’d say if Jamaica should censor ANYTHING they should have done it ages ago. Aren’t the crime rates and the birthrates about the same? LOL. Maybe they should censor politicians first. And then censor the rich resort owners who pay their employees crap.

    Just a thought…..

  • http://www.xanga.com/julibobuli Juliane

    The home video at the end really seals the deal on this one ha.

  • Carl Johnson

    Kudos to the censorship by the JBC!! This (censorship) has been demonstrated in previous years (At least twenty years ago when mainstream reggae “singers” were becoming more blatantly explicit) and should not be treated as a surprise to Jamaicans!
    yes, the music can and should be made for the ears of people who appreciate it and should not be open to children OR adults who do not appreciate it flowing freely through the media!
    Personally….I like to see the dances; however, I would NEVER allow my children to view it. Adults have a certain level of tolerance and appreciate a certain level of perverseness….children should never be left open to it.

    thanks for considering my comments. One Love!

  • sista

    thanks for the informative article. i did some more research on youtube on daggering in Jamaica and saw some very disturbing versions of daggering involving ladders, buckets and men visibly hurting women as well as miming violence towards women while ‘dancing’.

    I come from Africa and I consider myself open-minded and culturally tolerant, but i didn’t like it at all and felt very uncomfortable. i had to stop watching as I saw young women allowing themselves to be held apart by their legs and jumped on by men from heights… there were moments where i was able to see the ‘players’ as dancers doing dance routines but often there was an underlying vibe of savagery verging on rape… look a bit deeper into this subject and the animalistic behaviour at the root of it is revealed.

  • http://www.thesuperstar.org theSuperStar

    Daggering – Rap – Hip Hop – all the same, sing/rap about what you know and see… sex, crime and drugs.

  • http://www.janeenjohnson.webs.com Janeen Johnson

    I live in Jamaica and Daggering in my opinion just an old dance with a new name.
    Jamaicans have always danced in this sexually suggestive nature, and banning the Daggering Songs has done little to temper this culture.
    It is sad to ride on a bus and hear children knowing the entire lyrics of these songs, yet they have a problem learning their multiplication tables (Times Table as we call it in Jamaica).
    The reality is that in our culture they will hear it whether they play it in the media or not because there is a sound system on every corner almost every night of the week blasting songs with profanity.
    I am not a dancehall patron but I can tell you all the songs that are played in a dance session just by laying in my bed .
    Is the JBC right in banning these songs? It’s debatable because if you ban daggering, you have to ban Dutty Wine; you have to ban Hot Wuk and 80% of the songs in the Dancehall because majority of them are just displays of how competent one is in the bedroom. Personally it’s not my cup of tea but the cold hard truth is the horse is a far way through the gates to call it back now.
    I am 25 and my generation and the present did not grow up listening to Bob Marley.

    • Lisanne

      I agree with what you say..they(children) are going to hear it if it is out there…and unfortunately in most cultures the things we try to teach children are hardly ever as interesting to them, nor do they capture their little minds as much as something that isn’t designed for children…..It does hold true ,as far as I can tell, to appropriate the burden of what children are exposed to by their parents for the most part………..I try to keep explicit lyrics from my son who is 12 , but it seems there are outside influences that make him aware of songs that I have never heard…..we can’t be with them 24/7 but we can make sure they know what we deem appropriate for them and exert as much control over what they are exposed to as we possibly can…..and make sure Bob Marley is in their MP3/CD collection, even my American son goes to sleep to Bob every so often=)

  • Xf

    um… this is what all the fuss is over not the tame versions shown in the music vids…
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0VLH86jBIg&feature=player_embedded

  • Michelle Mignott

    For such a small island Jamaican sure gets it share of publicity.
    I love my tiny controversial Island.

  • Jackie Gay Wilson

    This humping dance craze is always the same, but has a different name in every country and every generation. Back in our day we called it “doing the dog.” In the U.S. it’s called “freaking.” I loved the African-style dancing in the Mr. Vegas video, which brings us back to the real roots to consider. Sexual mimicry is at the heart of a lot of African and Caribbean dance and music, just as are social commentary and satire. It’s really all in fun and serves to release sexual and social energy in a harmless way. (I don’t know about the videos of guys jumping on women’s crotches from high ladders that a previous comment cited. I’ll have to check it out.)
    Kids don’t need to be sheltered from fully-clothed sexual pantomime, but rather they need to be protected from real molestation and violence. By all means, the lyrics and images of killing and violence should not be on the public airwaves. I’m a 62-year-old grandma, by the way, whose kids have all finished college and stayed on the good path. These dances are crude, but they’re also fun and funny.

    • Chris

      What we call “freaking” in the U.S. is pretty G-rated compared to this.

      There is dancing like this in Brazil too. Search on youtube for “baile funk”.

  • Jackie Gay Wilson

    This humping dance craze is always the same, but has a different name in every country and every generation. Back in our day we called it “doing the dog.” In the U.S. it’s called “freaking.” I loved the African-style dancing in the Mr. Vegas video, which brings us back to the real roots to consider. Sexual mimicry is at the heart of a lot of African and Caribbean dance and music, just as are social commentary and satire. It’s really all in fun and serves to release sexual and social energy in a harmless way. (I don’t know about the videos of guys jumping on women’s crotches from high ladders that a previous comment cited. I’ll have to check it out.)
    Kids don’t need to be sheltered from fully-clothed sexual pantomime, but rather they need to be protected from real molestation and violence. By all means, the lyrics and images of killing and violence should not be on the public airwaves. I’m a 62-year-old grandma, by the way, whose kids have all finished college and stayed on the good path. These dances are crude, but they’re also fun and funny.

  • Jackie Gay Wilson

    OK, as suggested, I just checked out “No Limits Tuesday” at
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0VLH86jBIg&feature=player_embedded

    Quite athletic, great dance isolations, very funny and ridiculous to me. Everyone’s got their pants on. They’re doing wheelbarrow races in there, too, like at a church picnic. Pretty “nasty” but in a satirical fashion.

    I do hope the kids are learning their times tables as well, though. And MOST IMPORTANTLY that they’re learning about STDs, birth control, and how to protect themselves from rape and violence. For the rest, party on, you little whippersnappers.

  • Sheryl Glassmith

    Dance has been sex with clothes on or at the very least foreplay since we came down from the trees. Think Tango! The waltz was set to ruin the morals of a whole generation when folks got to actually touch without going to a church first.You may recall a shocking singer that went by the name of Elvis the Pelvis.
    Prohibition has never worked.
    Making music, singing and dancing are still universal, unifying and free for us all to enjoy.

  • http://www.slowdownyourspeed.com Eulas Kirtdoll Sr.

    As an adult, 53, male, I am outraged that tolerance of lewdness has become so – tolerated. we are experimenting with our children, in the name of tolerance. We have decided that video representations of sexuality are ok, but most of us remember when you had to be there in person to see this stuff. Now our kids can see it all, and they don’t have to go to porn channels to see it. Clothes on mean nothing when the moves leave nothing to the imagination. Yes, in the name of tolerance we have sacrificed the innocence of our children, and when the experiment is over, and the frankinsteins are in charge, we will reap the whirlwind.

  • Cbiddle

    This is a circumstance where the Jamaican needs to better chose its battles. This level of censorship does nothing but alienate a predominantly young generation of men and women. In a nation where the common people have suffered so much, is this a comforting message sent to the next generation of leaders, or a sign of growing tyranny?

  • http://zerotres.wordpress.com Ernesto

    I’m not sure how this is different from reggaeton in Puerto Rico (the original reggaeton, not the commercial stuff being produced today) and funk in Rio de Janeiro and many other examples around the world. Bad music is everywhere and I’ve learned to ignore it.

    I would never support these “musicians” and I wouldn’t let my children (hypothetically, since I don’t have any) listen or watch this. But if other people want to corrupt themselves and their kids’… hey, it’s their money, their time, their kids, their problem.

  • jason glass

    IF parents do not take the necessary steps to protect their children from harms way, then the authories will have to implement various asteps that will protect them (children) from ” violent form of sex”. I concur with the broadcasting comission band to the fullest. Our children minds are so highly sex when they listen to these music that they cannot even focus on their school work. while i must agree with some of my fellow audience that there are other “songs” that needs to be band; i am glad that this is a stepping stone in the right direction and i pray that the varous clamp down does not stop here. Personally, i am in full support of my jamaican and african culture, but i find it disrepectful when an artiste or musican try to paint a falsifying image about our culture and who we are as Jamaicans.

  • Twenga

    I agree they need a better name that “daggering”

  • hmmm

    well I think that this is over the top. I know its a type of dancing, but “daggering” is also rough sex that has recently increased the fracturing of penises (look it up, im not lying). It is an extremely rough thrusting that can actually damage a man. This dancing just simulates it. And that one video of Mr. Vegas is about him “daggering” these girls that he is bringing into his house… not just dancing. So to me, this is too far and I think they should be monitored. The lyrics are bad and the images are bad so our kids do not need to be seeing or hearing these things. It teaches them that women are just sex objects. Even though these women partake in it, I think it is very degrading. There’s a difference between normal freak dancing and this. This is straight up sex with clothes on.

  • sid v

    The Jamaican authorities have always been funny about the music scene and have a history of banning songs etc that they take offence to. I don’t see how the daggering dance is either that new or that offensive? That sort of dancing has been popular in Ja for years now. Some lyrics are lewd but that isn’t exactly a new thing either.The authorities must have the hump because music videos shot in real Jamaica, ie not on a Sandals beach, are getting mainstream attention. I don’t know why they have to stick their noses in though? The only way out of poverty for a lot of the youth in Ja is through crime or music, so banning songs just makes it harder for the people trying to make a decent life for themselves legally.
    Cheers for the post

  • Sabstance

    Found it funny and interesating. In South Africa, 2 songs have been banned by the South African Broacasting Coroporation, and they were not even about sex. One was called ‘Mbobo’-(mbobo means) ‘hole’ by Thebe. The other one was ‘Sika lekhekhe’ (Cut the cake) by Author or is it Athour Mafokate. This was the name of a fast paced dance where girls would put their hands between her thighs and move them up and down like a ‘sew saw’ while shaking their knees and waving the left hand in the air. The authorities said that it is a known fact that in the ‘ghetto lingo’ (the language we use in the townships) ‘ikhekhe’(cake) refers to ‘pussy’, the dance never stopped but the song was pulled off air however you can have it and play it at parties.

  • http://www.hire-limo-glasgow.co.uk limo hire glasgow

    there are absolutes that stipulate reasonable behaviour and which must be abided to. Daggering is one of those practices that needs to be zero tolerated by any means possible due to its negative influences. nothing justifies its immoral message especially to our vulnerable children.

  • Oronde

    “Someone once said that the world is a fine place, and worth fighting for…

    I agree with the second part”.

  • Ken

    this is not the most positive thing in the world, obviously, but there is nothing here that offends me. just because children would like something made for adults doesnt mean adults shouldnt be able to have their own freedom. in that case you would have to ban alcohol the first time a 10 year old got a hold of a bottle and drank it. you would have to take almost half of the songs off the air. you would have to ban half of the films being produced. this is ridiculous! they are consulting adults and there is no private parts showing. ever seen the movie dirty dancing? more classy and elegant, but to the same degree of sexuality. watching a woman slide up and down the man’s crotch and in between his legs then the man rubbing his face down the woman’s chest is just as bad! not to mention when you ban something and tell young adults they are not aloud to engage is just going to make them do it twice as much with twice as much excitement. banning will just give you a counter-intuitive backlash. unless you wanted to sentence everyone to jail for dancing. again cencership evading on human rights in the name of “morality”. funny coming from the same people who do nothing about child labor, child warriors, and child trafficking. yet they find a dance so offensive because children may learn it? outrageous!!!

  • Ilana

    I’m not a huge fan of rap in general, but this ban seems awfully stringent. And it’s not as if this kind of music, dance, or anything in hip hop culture is unique to jamaica! just turn on the tv or look out your front door; it’s right there.

  • matt

    Thats the most ridiculous dance i’ve ever seen. I’d be more worried about my kids looking mentally ill when they dance like that than i would about them picking up the wrong idea about sex.

  • http://n/a Rokcet Scientist

    Is that all? I did that 40 years ago! Worry about something IMPORTANT!

  • http://myway chrissie

    Funny oh so funny, i cant see what the big issue is about. In this world it is all about freedom of choice and people have the right of what they do and what they partake in. Jamaica is a society built on music, sex and the worlds worst violence, hence daggerin- all three come together in a dance- no surprise there then!!

    let’s focus on the larger world issues of poverty, war and hunger and leave jamaicans alone to do what they do best….

  • Kate

    Popularising sex and violence has a massive impact on child psychology because they are constantly learning and experimenting with social boundaries through external influences. What a lot of people don’t seem to realise is that children grow up but their understanding of what is acceptable behaviour doesn’t necessarily change and that is the source of most major problems in society, from teenage preganancy and anti-social behaviour to murder and rape. This isn’t only a problem in Jamaica! It’s a problem everywhere.

    • justin

      yours is a statement I have been waiting to hear from someone else besides myself. I often wonder where to draw the line when it comes to the influence of “entertainment” on our children. On one hand, freedom of speech is a necessary evil. No one should be censored for there beliefs, opinions, or views as long as there is no harm being done to others whom don’t agree with said views. On the other hand, however, there is no real way to shelter our children from what we deem harmful to a young little mind. We must teach our kids to know what is acceptable and what is not, and why. Don’t just tell them no without at least explaining why some things just are not OK. Then they won’t be as curious to know and try to sneak around you because kids are rebellious and they will find out things on there own. Get up and play with your kids, because the web and tv aren’t good role models!

  • christine

    i strongly beleive that everyone should be treated fairly and with respect no matter what part of the world you are in, there are other problems in the world but why not solve a small one like this and then do ahead sloving other problems.

    • christine

      changes need to be made when in one side of the world everything is changing why not other places be considered the same treatment and it is all about how music brings feeling which develop into want.

  • Anonymous

    Take a good look at this picture.
    http://www.skitgrisen.se/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/tubgirl.jpg

    This picture is the new status quo for disgusting lewdness in our time. Banning “daggering” and explicit lyric hip-hop at this time is somewhat like banning holding hands in a big-ol pit of violent ass rape. Censorship lost the game a long time ago, but apparently, no one has cared enough to tell it so.

  • Andrew

    Banning this type of music is only going to make the artists seem cooler, almost like a black market for party music. When parents were throwing their hands up in the 50′s and 60′s over rock and roll, it’s not like the kids stopped listening to it out of respect.

  • mark

    I think sex is only human nature…and d mor u ban stuff, d mor ppl want to do or listen to it..so just let it be…i mean im sure in the past thereve been ludicrous songs 2 and no1 said anything..its a bit hypocritical

  • Lars

    Honestly, even if it was an orgy… Let the people enjoy themselves. Respect has nothing to do with suppressing sexuality.

  • buxton

    my girl is jamaican, and recently had a birthday party. plenty of her home folks showed up. we have been together for a couple of years. she was danced the night away– just like this— with her homeboys.
    I didn’t want to spoil her birthday so i chilled. we got the pic back from the party. I cant get them out of mind.
    She is a hard worker but I was paying the mortgage and car note and cell bill.
    I have ZERO trust and respect for her and have not a will not see her again. Period! WARNING: Girls if a dance is worth your relationship, by all means dance on.

  • Rocky

    In Brazil its about the Samba, in Colombia its Champeta, in Puerto Rico its Reggaeton, in the U.S. its Rap. Come on, every place has its groin-grinding, booty-shaking, ‘scandalous’ music. The violence and explicit language portrayed needs to be toned down in ALL music. From metal to merengue, children are picking up bad habits and bad influences.

    Not to say they all act on these influences, but all of these countries including the U.S. have high teen-pregnancy, juvenile crime, and teen suicide rates.

    That being said, freedom of speech should be upheld and give parent’s the responsiblity of censoring their own kids.

  • claire

    I really think that the overreaction to the popularity of sexual referances is just that an overreaction, I remember beeing a teen and my mom being up in arms about Salt n Peppa’s song ‘doing tha butt’ my god she told me I couldn’t listen to or dance to that song. do you think THAT worked, NO. Do you think that song took my virginity, NO. As far as the songs being banned that referance violence well they may glorify these acts, is it not also possible that they are just a reflection of what is the reality to the fans?Seems to me that the focus on the music is missplaced, perhaps the effort shold be directed twards sexual education, and community awareness programs.

  • Dave

    Another great plan by the african nations. Lets keep all the money ourselves, let our people live in deprivation and crime but then show how morally sound we are by banning certain forms of entertainment.

    Alternatively we could actually invest in the infrastructure of our country and attempt to improve the lot of our fellow africans instead of growing fat on overseas charitable donations.

    Nah…..just kidding, Pass me another pina colada and get those beggars away from my mansion walls

  • Diana

    When I first read this article I thought my fellow country men were taking this dance thing too seriously as they do with many forms of expression.

    I think a follow-up to this article is a very disturbing video I viewed today of a girl who was killed in a daggering showdown. It is too disturbing to post here. The scene is typical dancehall party and the patrons clear the floor and chair is brought to the center of the room. The Dj is setting the scene over the mike and telling people to look on at the spectacle that is about to be performed. A young lady sits in chair and slouches down. The camera pans over to young man who looks like he’s getting ready to jump over hurdles. He sprints forward and jumps over the chair, but not before he snaps the girl’s neck against the back of the chair because he underestimates the distance. Obviously unaware of what he’s done he walks around to the front and climbs in the chair and proceeds to dry hump her lifeless body so hard the chair rocked from the motion.
    When the patrons see that she is not moving they lay her one floor and proceed to pour water and beer and all types of liquor on her face.

    The video leaves a heavy weight on my shoulder as a Jamaican watching on. Was this just a horrible accident? I am sure this poor young lady did not know she was going to meet her death at the hands of daggering.

  • Lorenzo

    self-restraint doesn’t seem to figure in much, eh mon?

    That failing helps explain many other ills on the isle.

  • The White Rabbit

    Wow, I’ve seen worse regularly at my high school formals…and I live in a very suburban area.

  • SallyD

    You missed a main reason of why they have outlawed daggering: BROKEN PENISES with permanent damage! These videos/songs are no worse than anything we have, and everyone has the right to express their songs and sexuality however they like. But ‘daggering’ particularly refers to a violent thrust, where people are hurting themselves.

  • Bonoboboy

    Reminds me of a brilliant scene in the “new” movie “Soul Power”, documenting the 1974 tour of James Brown and other black greats (including BB King) to Kinshasa, Congo, as part of the Ali-Foreman “Rumble in the Jungle Fight”…anyway, one of James Brown’s dancers tries to teach a pair of Congolese dancers the “Bump”- and they respond by showing her their own “daggering” version…

  • Leigh

    Well, it certainly looks like it keeps you fit.

  • Sumi

    No different than belly dancing. The moves are tribal looking, but I don’t think anyone in the video is trained in African dance. I find it vulgar and degrading, but I’m sure when I was a teen I grossed out a few aunties with my moves. The snake and the forbidden dance were scandalous in my day.

  • Sable

    Aw leave them alone. They can do whatever they want.

  • Tamara

    To really understand what daggering is, take a look at this video or search daggering on youtube… a girl has actually died from a guy jumping on her head while trying to “perform” a sex act/

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjW2Np3Z6so

  • Matt

    Bleeped out or not, I couldn’t understand a word of “Dagga Dat.”

  • Liz

    Well, I don’t see why such dancing becomes a huge problem when it’s in Jamaica and given a new name.
    We dance like this in America–it’s just called juking (at least in my area of the U.S., i guess it’s called something else depending on where you are).
    And at school dances, at least at my school, it’s only “stopped” because some teachers don’t want to watch. And even then, most of them just turn their heads.
    I don’t really see the big deal–its just like urban culture, if you will, in America.

    • why?

      I know! We do stuff like that in america too. It’s sad and definitely not a good thing to be proud of, but to me, Jamaica has nothing on some of the things I’ve see. Here’s one that was a solo…it’s not daggerin but it’s just as bad to me. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFxTDt_4KjI

  • brenda

    Ok it’s like drop it likes it’s hot.All countrieshave their rump shakers.Call it what ever name.It’s all cool if you want to dance however you want.

  • Angel

    Interestingly, Liz, the term “juking” or “jooking” or “jukking” also comes from Jamaica.

  • Crystal .

    Hmmm , I Dont Really See This As A Big Thing . I Live In Los Angeles , Ca . And People Dance Like This All The Time . They Have These Things Called “Flyer Parties” . Its When They Give Out Flyers To EVERYONE At All The Local High Schools , Send Messages Over The Internet , Text Messages , Etc . But To Everyone . Not Just People They Know . Any Body Can Come . If Yu Attend Any Of These Such Parties Yu Would Find Dancing Like This And Worst And Actual Sex Acts . They Even Give Some Of The Parties Names/Themes Like “Booty Shorts Vs. Basketball Shorts” Where The Girls Where Booty Shorts Or Thongs And Just Bras And The Guys Where Just Basketball Shorts . So To Me , This Doesnt Seem Too Bad . Oh , And Let’s Not Bring Up The Drugs . . . .

  • Sumi

    At least their not off beat. Some do the fox trot…while others dagg.

  • Phoenix

    Should it be banned? No. Should they play censored versions on the radio/TV? Yes. Should any country try to help eliminate such a blatantly sexist thing? Yes. That doesn’t mean that music has to be completely PC, just keep in mind what it’s teaching our young adults, and that we should be trying to help them learn to treat each other as equals, which (from what I’ve seen in the videos that have been posted, as well as the definition of “cabin stabbing” and “daggering”) this doesn’t seem to be even pretending to do. And there are certainly just as many things here in the States that are just as bad, but that doesn’t mean we should be turning a blind eye to that either.

  • http://www.venere.com/blog/antwerp-landmarks/ Amy

    Wow, I felt old when I read this. Remember when Lambada was concidered bad? Seems mild now, doesn’t it?

    I don’t think it’s right to censor the songs. Perhaps don’t play them on hours that underage kids listen to radio etc.?

    @Tamara – by the way, that is one seriously disturbing video.

  • no

    so they are sexy

    its none of ur business to criticise them

    its art also

    small minds who needs it

  • http://www.burningcorpse.com Fl3tch3r

    If they want to look like idiots, who’s right is it to stop them.. hahaha..

  • why?

    Okay, Jamaica’s government is doing something about their music issue, but to me, people in the united states dance worse than that. When I went to prom, the dances that high schoolers did to soulja boy’s “Donk” were so much worse. This one is nothing compared to the dance in those videos….http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFxTDt_4KjI Here’s the sad part….that dance is actually milder than the ones I’ve seen at clubs and high school dances!

    Really nice article though. Very well written.

  • Amy

    THe best way to make something spread like wildfire is to ban it. I don’t believe banning it will solve the problem, it will more or less just aggrivate the source and there will be more of a backlash.

    Personally, I feel that dancing of that personal nature should be kept in a room, but I’ve seen worse videos.

  • Harmony

    In the 1920′s it was called the Black Bottom. So, what’s new?

  • ANDWTSWRONG

    You all have issues making this a big deal you just have something up your butt everytime it comes to sex or anything related im in highschool now but even when i was in middle school people would dance like this its called grinding its just a dance and there is nothing wrong with that and especially not with jamaica its not just jamaica that dances like this the whole world does it just under different names go to a highschool party and litterally they have pairs of 2 or 3 lined up along all walls grinding or people are doing the no gravity when the guy holds the girl up another way is french grinding where you rub the front together you just need to get out of your good christian world and accept that even shut up is not a curse word

  • leavethem

    you all just really small minded get out of america and being nude is legal marrying gay is legal and if you are not married it is natural to have sex there is nothing wrong with that the problem is not them but you because you make things like this wrong and looked down upon by society

  • dombones

    I was in the club at U Central Florida last weekend and it gets worse than this. Much worse… White girl comes out with her booty shorts, starts doing some crazy maneuvers with her ass. Suddenly, 4 guys jump out and start slammin’ it. It was pretty graphic. Back, front, even the sides.

    The college club scene makes “Daggering” look like The Twist or Square Dancing.

  • http://twitter.com/DirtyGirl22 Melissa

    What a great dance. I think it looks like fun. It’s a little wild, but it doesn’t necessitate and article being written about it. I mean, you really care?

  • errol

    I personally feel it is a shame. the falout of this, is that women are treated with disrespect without knowing it, the guys would never think of marrying a girl dancing like that. the guys develope this idea that all women are the same and you can jump from one to the other. i speak as one who has been involve in this but now i see the downside.

  • just_jaded

    @ ANDWTSWRONG

    Don’t get me wrong, I am far from being a prude (and I am, for lack of better term, a heathen, so getting out of my little Christian world does not apply), but do you really think it’s perfectly ok for *children* to be simulating sex on a dancefloor? Do 11 and 12 year olds in middle school need to be experimenting with sex in any form?

    You may want freedom to do what’s fun and cool and worldly, you may think that it’s perfectly acceptable to be dirty dancing before purberty (all of us can probably relate to the infallibility of the teenage mind), but don’t give the adults too much grief for wanting to let you stay innocent happy kids as long as possible. You’ve got the rest of your lives to screw around and have to deal with the repercussions.

  • Andrew

    I know I am a little late to the party. Anyway interesting to see that in the provided videos there are no token white people not to mention any Asians having a go. So I am guessing this is so far seems to be a black thing that hasn’t began to be adapted by cross racial pioneers like Justin Timberlake or Enimen. I have to admit that black people seem to have a greater sense of rhythm when it comes to things like daggering and honestly seem more at ease with the concept of close intimate body contact and have less hang ups about it for them it is something they do for enjoyment and for them it seems to carry far less in terms of sexual arrousal or connnatations than for generally more up tight white folk.

  • Nick Reynolds

    I can remember grade school and junior high dance where girls and boys
    would grind on each other. I was a teenage grinder myself. Leave ‘em be and get
    a life. Looks like a good booty shake to me. Have some fun!!

  • Chris

    Demonizing sex and trying to keep kids from it, along with how shallow it’s become, is what drives them to it in the first place. This sort of degredation though is what shows kids that it’s casual, that it’s cool, which is why they’re experimenting in Middle school, because they want to be cool too. You keep this sort of stuff out of the mainstream and you almost have the problem resolved. Children are impressionable. If they think sex is cool, who do we have to blame but ourselves for allowing it to become cool? I could go on, but you get the gist of it.

  • Chadwick

    Two words…
    Foot Loose

  • Stephen J. Townshend

    LOL! Your 11 and 12 year olds have been experimenting with sex since the world began, whether it be “playing doctor” or a tumble in the hay-loft. Do you have that short a memory old-timer or maybe a particularly sheltered childhood?

  • Bivi

    Reggaeton is just as bad if not worse, trust me I live in Miami.

  • JoJo

    That second pic is so not Jamaican, I am, so I would know.
    Daggering is left up to the individual, as such if it is too lewd for you then don’t do it. If you think it is over sexualized then warn your kids and you better have a reason as kids like to break rules. Some of the things they do in some of these videos are extreme but it is good to note that only the worst videos get popular on the web. To understand the concept of the dance and the amount of rhythm it takes would mean you would have to feel the music and try to dance it.

    Also of note is the fact that the girl dis not die in the video.

  • Rachel

    I feel that they should just let them dance, how ever way they choose. However, I decided to look up cabin stabbing and daggering myself, morbid curiosity, I guess: http://insidetheasylum.blogsome.com/2009/06/07/cabin-stabbing-daggering-i-must-be-out-of-touch/ I read here that they banned it not because it was crude, but because men were fracturing their penises. I can’t really say if thats fact, but I think if a guy even wants to risk that, its up to him.

  • Natalie

    Why is everyone’s excuse that ‘other people do it too’ or ‘i’ve seen worse’? Of course there are worse problems in the world than teenagers grinding on each other but that doesn’t negate the fact that younger generations are becoming more and more exposed to overly-sexualized pop icons.

    Maybe we should look at it this way: if it’s a trend, it’ll keep going. The line will have to be drawn eventually, so the question is when.

  • Cheri

    Im 72, and Black people have been dancing like this since I was a kid. Ever been to a Black club. I definately isnt anything new, just renamed. We all came through it just fine. Others may think its terrible, but they probably dont have any rythm to begin with .

  • Miketea99

    Man…I grew up in Louisiana, and this ‘daggering’ is sooooo old. Cats in New Orleans and other surrounding areas, have been dancing like this forever!!! I remember as a kid, (i’m 28 now) dancing like this. Go to youtube and look up “New Orleans Bounce”! There is nothing new under the sun. Let the kids be.

  • JoJo

    I agree with Cheri..no rythm..lol

  • Steph

    Y’all,
    for CryingOutLoud – it’s a thing of the interior folk, down there in the darkness .. I seen dancers more lewd than this in central India. Their temples are full of it – they been daggerin’ each other all over the shop for 2000 years ago!
    I mean something has to be done about those people – they should put them in a labor camp, cut their rations, lower their energy levels, know what I mean? …It aint very lady like; like I wouldn’t marry one, but then I wouldn’t marry anybody …

    -Steph L ébouriffé

    • steve

      shut up and deal with the blacks that are the focus of the article.comparison to india is ridiculous.

  • heather

    I have to agree with Miketea99. I’m also from NOLA and I had to laugh because I was expecting something crazy and instead saw something that looks very similar to New Orleans bounce (even if the music sounds quite different), which was played at all the high school dances. Considering my 10yr reunion’s coming up, I’m surprised this dance is just now causing a stir (in Jamaica of all places!) Bounce and booty shaking wasn’t my kind of thing but I definitely don’t see it as a reason to go on a censorship drive.

    As far as protecting kids, I think exposing them to censorship (which is a slippery slope) is a lot more dangerous than seeing a bit of bumping and grinding. Censorship usually starts with “moral values” but easily (and often) grows to involve politics and other issues where the danger of losing important freedoms is more readily apparent.

  • Jhen

    Good grief. That first video is just nauseating to watch -and- to listen to. *hurk*

    I did not bother to watch the rest of them. One is truly enough. Kudos to Jamaica for trying to help, in whatever way they can. Yes, I suppose teenagers from every country do have the right to look, act and be thought of as whores and useless thugs, but hopefully taking away the temptation to do so can help.

    Not a popular opinion, but I don’t aim to please. All over the world, hard-working folks are supporting the bastards that come from such activity, not to mention supporting their parents.

    Being and acting sexy is one thing, but there’s a huge difference between sexy and vulgar, at any age – definitely not just teens.

  • James

    Everybody is missing the best daggering video EVER.
    Major Lazer – Pon De Floor

    http://vimeo.com/5936810

  • http://londoniscool.com William Wallace

    Those Jamaican girls sure know how to move there bodies, I guess thats why ever since I got my first taste of Jamacian many years ago, I have been hooked. It beats me as to why they would want to go and ban a fun to watch dance like that!

  • Miketea99

    …One thing I do know about young people of all creeds, colors, and cultures is this… When someone, usually persons of the previous generations go on a ‘witch hunt’ based on moral values, they usually just rebel stronger and come up with something even more outlandish! Nothing ever stays the same. The times are always changing. Just look at history (I am a History Major). I recall reading articles and arguments about things such as ‘women wearing pants as opposed to skirts and dresses’! One mustn’t forget that, they were once young too! If young people always followed the exact same creeds as their parents, we still would be riding horses everywhere and using candles instead of electricity. Life is evolution; stagnation is death.

    Peace

  • Kyle Smith

    Well now that they’ve banned sexual songs, I’m sure Jamaican teens will finally stop having sex. Yep, that’s the only likely scenario here.

  • Kali

    From what I’ve seen, most people responding here seem to be American, so possibly you guys don’t quite get the severity of this issue. The examples on here are just mild versions of dancing, and you’re right..nothing’s wrong with most of them. But if you really get down in this and understand what goes on in clubs and dancehalls in the name of “dancing”, you might get a feel for why this is so serious. When you see girls thrown from 8ft walls and wind up in comas, when you see women break their necks…literally, in the name of dutty wine, when you see young women being passed from man to man like rag dolls and being humped and grinded to the point of bruising, or a 90 lb lil girl pinned to floor by 4 guys, hurt to the point she can’t even get up and the dudes just walk away like whatever, you understand that it’s not just fun anymore. This is a very serious issue and it is getting completely out of hand.

  • Rachel

    I have to say Tamara, that video is DISTURBING, and quite frankly, they are having one big crazy orgy.–Ray

  • Natasha

    I agree we dance like this in America… also if people if the radio plays nasty music do not let your children listen!

    However I would like to point out something do you notice the shapes of those women? They look like people, like you me, everyone. Sorry but that’s kind of amazing… have you seen the video girls every where else?

  • Jess

    So of all the problems the Jamaican government has, they decided to focus on…dancing?!? Really?

    The older generation has always thought that ‘young folks’ dance inappropriately. Waltzing was considered improper when it first came out, because the participants were *gasp* actually touching.

    While daggering does appear to be simulated sex, I don’t really see the problem with that. Dancing has always been sensual and erotic; it’s a natural part of human courtship. Go to any club on Saturday night and see what I mean.

    For all the uptight parents worried about ‘the children,’ if you really want to keep them from viewing or participating in what you think is obscene, pay attention to them. Good parenting will keep kids out of any kind of trouble. I’ve been offered drugs many times; I’ve never taken them. I have been encouraged to shoplift; I’ve never done it. I didn’t have sex until I was almost seventeen, and when I did, it was within the context of a monogamous relationship. I have never been arrested. Why? Not because my media access was limited; I have always read, watched, and listened to anything I pleased. I was a well-behaved child because my mother and I have a good relationship, with plenty of trust and communication.

    Don’t blame your kid’s problems on the TV or the computer; look in the mirror for the source.

  • Jess

    As for the comments about injuries, I think that could be alleviated by beefing up club security and a couple of PSA’s about daggering as a sport ‘not for beginners.’

  • gaza gyal

    YOU ARE ALL COMPARING JAMAICAN MUSIC WITH THOSE DANCE U GUYS SAY YOU DO IN THE STATES OR WHEREVER. BUT I MUST SAY THIS TO US JAIMAICAN DANCE IS TO SEE WICH IS BAD OR WHAT IT IS FUN TO GO WITH THE MUSIC. AND THOSE VIDEO YOU POST FOR BRADDA DAGG….MR.VAGAS DAGGERING, AND THE HOMEMADE ON IS ACTUALL CRAP CAUSE NOTHING BAD IN ANY OF THOSE. I DO DAGGERING DANCE TRUST ESPECIALLY AT DUTTY FRIDAYS. BUT JAMAICANS HAVE MORE CLASS THAN TO DO DAGGERING SUBTRACT THE CLOTHE IN PUBLIC. SOME OF THEM I AM NOT SPEAKING FOR ALL. BUT THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH DAGGERING. ALRIGHT TRY THIS. GULLY CREEPA SWEEP DAGGERING HUNDRED STAB ALL IN ONE ISN’T THAT LIKE WORSE THAN THE VIDEO U SHOWED TRY USING SOME NEW DAGGERING SHIT INSTEAD OF THIS ONE BECAUSE AS THEY SAY PEOPLE DIE CAUSE OF DOING IT. IT DEPENDS ON HOW YOU DO IT.

    IN MY COUNTRY THEY HAVE ALL KINDS OF TEEN JAM AND BLAH BLAH AND DAGGERING HOT WUK AND ALL IS OK PLUS AS YOU WERE SAYING ABOUT GAZA AND SPICE SONG ROMPIN SHOP ITS NOT EVEN A SONG TO FRIGGIN DANCE TO.

    THERE IS ALOT OF DANCES OUT THERE THAT IS WORSE THAN DAGGERING. AND U AMRICANS THAT DON’T KNOW CRAP ABOUT DAGGERING AND TLAKING ABOUT IT IS WORST AND TURN TO SEX. DAGGERING IS NOT ABOUT THAT. I MEAN A DANCE COMPARED TO REALL SEX HOW WOULD IT EVEN COME TO A COMPARISON.

    THE SONGS GO ON THE RADIO DOESN’T MEAN YOUR CHILD SHOULD LISTEN TO IT. IT IS HOW YOU GROW AND BEND THE CHILD.

    AND I READ SOME COMMENTS AND THEY TALK ABOUT JUKKIN NOW HOW OLD IS THAT. IF YOU GO TO JAM AND START JUKING YOU WOULD GET BOOED OR LAUGHED AT. BRUKKING IS ANOTHER DANCE WICH IS AIGHT BUT STILL NOT UP TO DATE.

    LET DAGGERING SLIDE. GET OFF GAZA AND SPICES BACK THEY DO THIER SONG THIER WEY IF YOU HAVEN’T NOTICE THEY DIDN’T USE BEEP IN THIER CLEAN VERSION THEY USE WORDS.

    LIKE MI LOVA LONGA DAN THE KNIFE TELL MI WEH YUH LIKE YUH WAH FI TRY ARE YUH WAH FI RIDE IT LIKE A BIKE.

    AND THEN THERE IS DUMPLIN SHOP CLEAN AS A SLATE.

    SO I WOULDN’T SAY THEY SHOULD PLAY THOSE KIND OF MUSICS OR BAND IT FOR THE MATTER BECAUSE. SOMTIMES WHEN YOU FEEL AWFUL AND YOU HEAR THE SONG AND START DAGGERING AND GET LOSE IT IS FUN ITS JUST THAT SOME PEOPLE OVER DO IT AND KILL THEM SELF.

    SOME PEOPLE JUST MAKE IT SO EXTRA. SO I WOULD DISAGREE ON ALMOST EVERYTHING YOU SAY EXCEPT FOR THE BEEP SHIT CAUSE ITS KIND OF STUPID IF YOU HEAR A BEEP YOU KNOW ITS A BAD WORD. BUT IF THEY FILL IT LIKE GAZA THUG AND SPICE THEY WOULD GET IT AS QUICK AS THE GET YOU BEEP OUT OF MY BEEP HOUSE.

  • Gary E.

    There are alot of valid arguments here.

    If people are getting hurt, than it should be monitored or toned down, but at the same time if you know that last week your friend got thrown off a wall dancing and no is in a coma, why would you keep going? I’m so tired of people wanting the government to control how they act, when does personal responsibility come into play? If you know before hand that the atmosphere gets wild, why put yourself in that position?

    One person said that dancing should be one of the last things on the Jamaican government’s agenda, and I couldn’t agree more. I have a friend who came to America for college, and some of the stuff he told me was crazy. Impoverished children, right around the corner from resorts where food and energy are wasted w. regularity.

    Some one else said that these people are probably “living of their parents”, I doubt this is just limited to people still at home. But my children will know the value of themselves far exceeds this kind of dancing, I know that kids often do whatever they want to regardless of their parenting (myself included) but one’s parenting background has a lot to do how they behave, even if they do engage in reckless or lewd behavior at some point.

    I feel that people need to take responsibility for their actions, and that gov’t censorship only leads to more censorship….

  • shinydirt

    Really? All of this controversy for what basically amounts to the same grinding-type dance that middle schoolers engage in all over the states? Let the kids be. If the ban is put on this, then they’ll find a different way to do what they want and express themselves. Once something becomes forbidden, it becomes more seductive.

    And, speaking as a ‘young-un’ as referred to in the article, I’ve never heard of “cabin stabbing”. I posted the idiom on a forum i frequent with some friends, and none of them had either. It seems to be a relatively obscure term to me.

    Hinting at the idea that America’s youth, and the youth of many other countries are so corrupted that anything that might slightly refer to sex is old news to them is plain insulting. Our older generations were just as rebellious in their own way. Yes, attitudes toward sex have changed, but the amount of sex-related content in everyday life has not, it has merely changed its medium. Whether gossiping with fellow housewives or “shooting the shit” with the guys at poker night, sex was just as obsessed about. Giving it an outlet such as daggering, or American grinding just allows repression be diffused.

    I don’t see how this could be a bad thing.

  • Long Bench

    @ gaza gyal: you are far too busy trying to defend Jamaica to realize that the vast majority of the comments made here actually agree that there is nothing wrong with the dance per se. And commenters use their knowledge and experience to say that. So how about you show a little respect and actually listen to what people are saying?

  • Jay

    Everybody says it’s not that much of a big deal, but let’s think on a mature perspective here. If you had kids of the middle school age and they were at a school dance shaking their not-even-developed-behinds all around on all the little not-even-developed boys private parts, you’d be highly upset. For adults, if you choose to dance like that and exploit sexuality, you have the rational mind to do so, and you can deal with your conscious later. But these songs are now for the youth’s listening ears and this is what they hear. Instead of thinking about what direction they might want to take their life in, they are talking about how soon they could smash little Julie in the other homeroom. I have two nephews, 3 years old and 10 months, and I’m scared to death when they are ready to go to school. I’m not blaming it completely on the music, but I’m saying that the censorship should be there and parents need to regulate what the hell their kids see and hear. This laid-back society is going straight down the hill with this sex craze. All it is is to distract people from they really need to be thinking about. And we all know that was a good method because who isn’t a sexual being? Shame..
    But I do say this, don’t place judgement on a 14 year old little girl who comes home with a positive pregnancy test or even a positive STD test. What do you expect when everytime you turn around there’s sex all up in everybodys faces. Damn sex is a beautiful thing, but for the mature– those who are able to deal with the consequences of sex on their own as an adult!

  • Alliesha

    It doesnt matter. thats how we like to get down. if u dont want ur child to watch or here it then do what u got to do then. Stop frunting on others (my) culture cause u cant do what they can. DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMMMBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBB.

    • http://facebook.com tamica

      i agree with Alliesha yuh can NOT get mad at us because thats what we anjoy and have fun doin ! dont get mad because yuh can not dance like us ! >:\ and i dont need yuh to critasize us ether if yuh dont like it then dont watch it !

  • Linda M.

    You said it well at the end: “Call me desensitized, but they don’t seem much more objectionable than your average rap video. (But of course, just because we allow tracks like “Candy Shop” to play in prime time doesn’t mean Jamaica necessarily should, too…)”

    :-)

  • http://www.kawaiihaven.com Annisa

    I think it’s kind of silly actually :s
    It also kind of makes me feel bad for the declining morality of America when this looks tame to me compared to most other rap/hip hop stuff. -_-;;;
    Oh well, freedom of speech, expression and all that stuff right? I don’t think they should have banned it anyway, considering people are going to continue listening and doing stuff progressively more risque despite, or maybe even because of, the ban XD

  • Aaron

    “Who gets to decide what constitutes “explicit sexual content,” after all?”

    You make the assumption that explicit sexual content, by some definition or another is a bad thing that should not be allowed to be seen by the general public. I suggest you re-evaluate this line of thinking in order to decide whether or not censorship of “daggering” is justified.

  • Axel

    MAJOR LAZER PON DE FLOR

  • K

    EXACTLY what I was going to say. These are pretty tame (and less hilarious) by comparison

  • Raquin

    If you want to stop this, you’re 20 years too late. Raggamuffin and Reggeaton are here to stay.

  • Pavle

    @Jay. From a mature perspective, teenagers are biologicaly wired to be more concerned with smashing little Julie than the direction in which they want to take their lives. Sex is the purpose of life itself, to perpetuate itself, and dance is the most natural way to express sexual courtship. To dance in a sexual manner shouldn’t even be put in the category of rational thought or action become it’s emotional and instinctive at its core. That’s the way it always has been and always will be. If you think that this “laid back” society is going straight down the hill, check the middle ages when sexual repression was at an all time high, you think there weren’t STD’s and pregnant 13 year olds? Consorship or abstinence propaganda will never work because the biological drive is stronger than any social construct. For the most part, sexual restriction causes nothing more than personal complexes and psychological frustrations. What do you mean when you say “to distract people from what they really need to be thinking about”? Seems to me that every little action that people do whether its becoming an artist, doctor, lawyer, writer, basketball player, or what have you, can always be traced down to the desire to be more sexually attractive, even if at a subconcious level. Remember that 14 year old girls were more than capable of getting pregnant long before mass media came around.

  • Jean Meadows

    At least they’re having fun doing what they want to do.

    People don’t realize that dancing is an alternative to crime in places where blacks live under oppressed conditions (which is pretty much everywhere).

    Personally, I wish Yellowman’s style would come back, but it probably won’t.

    Sex is fun and positive — it sure beats blowing up the World Trade Center and blaming it on imaginary terrorists.

    So I think we should let them have their scene (if that’s what they want) and try to tackle real problems like crime, war and racism.

  • http://diarioremix.blogspot.com gadget00

    I honestly believe that the ban was the right thing to do in Jamaica. Believing that just because sex is part of our lives doesn’t mean it IS life itself. With the free spread of daggering and other kinds of explicit sexual material(whether rap videos or Marvin Gaye), whole societie become less rational and progressive, creating conditions for more poverty, starvation and ignorance in the crowds; maybe something Jamaica has been living for some time.

    Having sex is a really intimate thing, and by letting some damaged minds to freely spread pervert concepts about it as the ‘greatest thing in life’ is really destructive. I just hope Jamaican moral organizations can take advantage of this ban and start a counter movement against this and other sick things that may come in the future.

    • pridelion42

      well it seems that you dont undestand what daggering is or todays music in general thus you said rap videos or marvin gaye other wise you would know that no one under the age of 30 listens to marvin gaye, and music and dancing is a release from the day to day monotony and yes jamaica is gripped by poverty due to a corrupt government so music and dancing is one of the ways to enjoy life.

      you think that sex is a intimate thing and no one is disagreeing with you but daggering isent sex, there is no penetration happening, its simply a dance that has developed from another dance called the “dutty wine”.

      and you must be christian or religious in some way that’s why you said “letting some damaged minds to freely spread pervert concepts” and who is to deem this a perverted, they are grown adults and are both consenting because if they were not one of them would simply not do it and daggering gets bashed for being perverted and lewd and wrong but priest having sex with little boys get swept under the rug every time another case arises so who is truly really sick and perverse?

      and you have obviously never been to a dancehall club and daggered because if you did you would see that this is the greatest feeling you will ever have with your clothes on.

      and sex is what we are programmed to do as human that we are and the animals that we are is what we do and sex should never be looked down upon as a bad thing or that is should be banned.

      and who are the jamaican moral organizations? churches? the same churches that bash homosexuals and kill them, the same churches that say that condoms give you AIDS and the same churches that molest children and help to fund child pornography, the same churches whose bishops and even the pope live in huge houses in unbelievable luxury whilst people in Africa and south america die from poverty and those are the two continents with the highest chirstian percentage, so dont talk about moral and what is wrong and what is right, stop living is your safe little world telling people that they are wrong.

      • http://facebook.com tamica

        yes ! daggering is not a bad thing its another way of expressing live trow dance

      • Barricadex

        Yikes.

      • grayscale

        woah. woah. dude. you went totally off-topic there. he just said that it’s not a good idea to spread sexually provoking media publicly because there might be kids somewhere or something. he wasn’t even bashing sex. and he didn’t mention anything about religions, so stop stereotyping and using this as an opportunity to rant about something unrelated that pisses you off. go blog about it if it annoys you that much.

      • Listening is also a virtue

        Woah!! Hold on there! Just because two people consented to daggering, (or as you put it…dancing in public) doesn’t make it right at all. And yes, it IS perverted and lewd to outrageously display such actions in public. In private, is a completely different matter. It’s also similar for a priest who decides to have sex with little boys. That is completely wrong and with regards to corrupt church officials immorally having sex with young boys, whether publicly or privately, it still will be. The fact is, NONE of either actions are right to do and both are sick and perverse.
         
        And excuse me? Greatest feeling you have ever had with clothes on? Well, sorry for not participating in such acts, maybe I’m not qualified to speak on the topic as you are? Nope. So long as you introduce correct truths and a logical, unbiased series of claims, then any argument can be sound. Please don’t bash against people who have not “been there, done that” so to speak, as in this case, it is not needed to make a sound argument against what you have said. In fact, most, if not all of your last paragraph is biased towards sex and against your “so-called” corrupt church officials. Keep in mind you have presented no evidence of such claims and that the situation isn’t completely so. Remember, just as there is bad there is also good living among it. And by the way, no one was bashing out about whether or not sex is good and healthy for society. We are talking about the issue of censorship here, where there is the risk of influencing young minds incorrectly and whether or not certain things should be tolerated publicly.

        • BS

          That Daggering dance is down right degrading to women I was haning with some jamacians and they were all humping this one girl it was downright discusting I told they to say away from me with that dry humping man join a swingers club and you can gang bang someone there if thats what you like…The girls that do that are nothing and deserve no respect you get what you ask for…Jamacian are messed up….get a life and keep sex in the bed room where it belongs…

      • Bruce Youngblood Sr.

        Daggering? It’s called Monkey Phucking

  • john

    Maybe this will show why its so strange:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6RIApYcsbU

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  • Saz

    I am not Jamaican, but i totally dig it!
    I am from North Europe, and ppl here can’t even move, and see what jamaican gots and the art of dancing they show us, is beautiful!

  • Gooner4life&beyond

    Lol, it’s foolishness. Sex without penetration, it’s not expression of any kind. Jamaica is full of ignorant people who will always find something ignorant to do, rather than sorting out their country.

    We are not animals, we are human beings. If we were put here by god to have sex, it was to be with our wife. You know, you get married, THEN have sex, with the one person, for the rest of your life. Not to go around humping anyone or anything you can.

    Sodom and Gomorrah, learn your lessons before it’s too late.

  • wtf???

    will people stop comparing daggering to any rap videos…they dont get down and have sex on  camera in rap videos…stop talkin crap.. sorry but dry humping on the dancefloor is not cool by any standard

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Eddie-R-Runner/100001910304980 Eddie R Runner

    This is risky dance. I don’t perform the one style which is full of risk.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Nick-Jackson/100002220743007 Nick Jackson

    This is risky dance. I don’t perform the one style which is full of risk.

     

  • Judail

    Let the kids them have their fun, dancing is harmless. they could be shooting and killing, selling and buying, using and doing. plz they are just dancing having fun, maybe yall need to join in.

  • Endicott Peabody

    Im pretty conservative, but I actually like the second video it is very colorful with the clothes and the song is kind of old fashioned calypso-sounding and really, this kind of dancing is nothing new. 

  • Guest

    So, folks have found another way of dancing to piss off the rest of us? News at 11.

  • http://www.jamaicafinder.com/ Mak

    The fact is, NONE of either actions are right to do and both are sick and perverse. 

  • Milford Packette

    I would like to see more dancing in the street.

  • namii

    funny how everyone here has something to say, but the “daggering” didn’t stop…. don’t kill your self to reply here because you can not stop personal preference…. sexually explicit dancing has been going on for years and if WE Jamaicans decide that we want to be creative we are going to be no matter what

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